I am 63 Years old, a Jazz Guitarist & a Retired Homeless Hobo.

Exchange on GNOSTICMEDIA.com Chat Board BB. John Bernays on November 23, 2012 at 3:43 am Did you realise, that, although the Belief that my Great Grandfather’s Brother was a monster, I rather have a different view of his desires & reasons for his lifetime vocation of “Controlling Humankind.” A read of Sigmund Freud’s “Mankind and his Discontents” and a watching of the BBC Documentary “The Century of the Self” would make a thinking person realize, as I have, the Human Race is innately a Vicious and Savage Beast, especially in Crowds or Mobs ( Read Erik Hoffer’s “The True Believer” ) Freud was very very dispondant at Hitler, the Fall of Vienna, and his Studies had shown perfectly how Savage the Human could become. I know that Uncle Edward really wanted a way to End War, stop Violence against Helpless Poor People & Women, and other Higher Motives. Obviously, Freud’s Ideas are “Spot-On” as the YouTube Video i watched earlier yesterday by Jan shows that the many “Devices” these Tavistock people use to Control the People. Understand, I am 63 Years old, a Jazz Guitarist & a Retired Homeless Hobo. (Say,WHAT?) so, I have felt the Hatred America Rains upon the Homeless, Mentally Ill. But the Mannerisms of Bernays speech, understand, is the mannerisms of the Very Rich of the Early 1900′s. Bernays was not a Evil Man. He was Very Insulated, He never learned to Drive, he was not comfortable with people, he was a Solitary person, but he never meant his methods, nor Sigmunds, to be used AS IT HAS BEEN, since his death. Thank you Jan, as well, for opening my eyes to the Fallacy of The world according to Quantum Scientists is a holographic universal illusion. As many others, I had almost Embraced this. As well, I personally met & knew Agustis Stanley Owsley, Timothy Leary, Thomas Wolfe and Hugh Romney, I did LSD25 12 Times, had a Very Wonderful Vision on the 12th. then never wanted it again. My Father turned me on to Alan Watts & William Burroughs, I followed the Woody Guthrie “Path” and am a Close Friend of “Diamond Dave” the Last Surviving Beat Nick in San Francisco. Dave WHittiker is 73 Years old. I am very excited at the Information you, Jan, put fourth. Perhaps you are my Salvation…(Eh, Wot?) Jan Irvin on November 23, 2012 at 8:17 pm John Bernays… It’s good to hear from you, John, if you are who you say you are. I would love to debate your reasoning behind some of your statements. For instance, you’re aware that Edward worked for the “war is good” department to get us INTO the war? As well, he was part of the guys who sold the compulsory education system that we have today, that dumbs people down. For if you [the rulers] suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves [and outlaws] and then punish them. -Sir Thomas More (1478-1535), Utopia, Book 1 No irony between the above quote and your statements. On the front page you’ll find John Taylor Gatto’s Ultimate History Lesson, which will prove you wrong on many other accounts: http://www.gnosticmedia.com/UHL_JohnTaylorGatto As well, you may be interested in studying the trivium study section to the left. However, you may already be familiar with some of it. Are you familiar with the works of Demosthenes? Of course your argument also rests on a false appeal to authority, or the ad vericundiam fallacy. Because someone who lies and manipulates others for their own gain and rather false direction, based on their own false notions of authority and right, often religious based for instance (Zionism is a good example of this type of behavior), rather than uplifting them through a proper education of the 7 Liberating arts, that Edward himself helped to eliminate and helped to advertise the very compulsory education system that dumbs men down into the very savages that you here discuss and complain about(! No irony there!) is hardly doing good for humankind. But maybe your dear grand uncle should have looked in the mirror. But as well, the same arguments are made for eugenics, etc. Of course he was behind many of those too. What about Edward’s influence on Gobbels? He also worked with the CIA, the CFR, the Tavistock Institute, he’s the very guy who promoted fluoride in the water as well…working for the aluminium industry. .. The damage from that is inestimable… speaking of dumbing down. There’s evidence that he was connected to the JFK assassination, as well as Project MKULTRA – of which I have strong evidence myself. He was also involved in Operation Ajax, and numerous others… I wonder, John Bernays, have you followed in Edward’s footsteps of propaganda? You seem to have “inherited” some of his talents for sophistry. You see, we must ask ourselves whom this type of behaviour benefits… because when we have a clear understanding of it, we know that it’s for the elites and oligarchs and their ultimate revolution against the masses, such as under the UN’s Agenda 21 and Fourth World Wilderness Conferences. So if you’d like to debate these issues, just to begin with, I’d love to have an in depth discussion. Welcome to the website. Yes, John, I had invited you to debate your points, but you never replied. For now the other forum is for invite only. If the others agree that a propagandist should be amongst us, then we may let you in at that time. However, none of the points you raised last time where accurate. Your uncle, for instance, worked for the War Is Good propaganda office to get us into the war, and you claim he was against it. Such things don’t fly around here. ========================================================================== Yes, John, I had invited you to debate your points, but you never replied. Did you? I did not receive a Invitation , my Email: Boxcarro@yahoo.com If the others agree that a propagandist should be amongst us, then we may let you in at that time. For now the other forum is for invite only. ===================================================================================== I Reply:

"A Propagandist? I am a Jazz Guitarist & Retired Rail Road Hobo, IE: Homeless. Having reached 62 Years in 1011, I finally received Senior Housing. I am a Total "Outsider" and being assaulted with name calling "Propagandist" rather seems rather presumptuous, or am I missing something? Does a Family Member being Defensive about Outsiders Opinions of a DEAD MAN'S values seem bad? You may notice a bit of Vitriol, I apologies. I am on the same Psychological Footing as you. Yet because I ask you to consider that Bernays, as well as Freud, became Despondent on the Violent Nature in Humankind, you accuse me, And Bernays helping the War Department, you know that was In League with Others, The war was 1916, his studies of Freuds Works were in the 1920's. His book "Propaganda" was 1928. I myself are totally grieved at the Gross Stupidity of the People around me. A Nation of Dumb Beasts. Gazing in to the TV with rapt canine slavering adoration. Yet I dropped out of School in 10th. Grade. In 1968 was placed in Mental Hospital, had ECT, spent Years & Years in Mental Hospitals. Yet somehow, the "Spark" of genius has remained alive. God Breathed- Compassion for the Most Hated, the Poor Filthy Homeless. Unless you walk a mile in their shoes, you cannot judge them." You know, I am sure, that the MEDIA/PROPAGANDIST has Created a HATRED against the Homeless- It Is Their Fault, The Deserve Nothing! And now, this will Split AmeriKKKa into Divides more deeply than Racism. CLASS WARFARE. You may think what you will, yet you speak about events & people I was THERE. I was on Sunset Strip in Summer 1967, I met Leary & Owsley, I took LSD25. I have been a Gifted Guitarist, had a severe CRIPPLING INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT to my Left Hand in 1970, I recovered AFTER a VISION ON MOUNT SHASTA helped by some Psychedelic Lichens I picked (If It Presented Its-self To Me) and consumed with Water from the MAGICAL INDIAN MEADOWS SPRING- at over a MILE HIGH.

However, none of the points you raised last time where accurate. Here I Retort: You say these things, yet as an Outsider you cannot make these allegations, You are wrong, to take me to task on things you are Totally Ignorant of, not being Family.> Your uncle, for instance, worked for the War Is Good propaganda office to get us into the war, and you claim he was against it. Such things don’t fly around here. And by the way, his being alive or dead is IRRELEVANT to the research and facts… that’s called an appeal to emotion – another fallacy. That’s like claiming I shouldn’t talk about Hitler because he’s dead. In fact, your uncle influenced Goebbels techniques – which costs Europeans millions of lives.. Your uncle was a sick, sick man, and appealed to his own ad vericundiam to do his thinking for him… He should only be remembered for the criminal he was. Jan Irving, along with Freud’s Kabbalistic, and long ago disproved non-sense… Also specifically for dumbing the masses down and controlling them… Oedipus complex and cocaine, that’s what Freud left us My Retort: The Reason FREUD is demoted is BECAUSE DRUG COMPANIES HAVE TAKEN CONTROL of PSYCHIATRY, you pompous ass!Your fallacies are so abjectly pathetic that you are blind to yourself. THIS IS MY ATTACK ON HIS HATIST AGENDA: What is your beliefs on Orthodox Jews as to our being opposed to the State of Israel and its War Crimes? Do you see JEWS as did Gerald L.K. Smith, Gerald Winrod, Gordon Winrod, David Duke Et Al. Are Jews the Source of World Misery. When I received over 130 Electroshock Treatments at a Mental Hospital in 1969, was it Because or In Spite the Fact that I was NOT a KOSHER Jew, my Jewish Father having married a Cherokee Indian Girl? Does my marry of a Mexican Girl to father Children "Race Mixing" and do you consider me a "Race Traitor?" Lets lay out the reasons for you obvious Disputable Reasoning. As for the Trivium, I have educated myself through CONSUMPTIVE Reading, for 60 Years. My IQ was measured in the 4th. Grade, & I was recommended for classes at Baylor University, where I took classical Violin, 1958-59. I was 8 Years old. American education was a little bit better when I was a child, under Eisenhower, I suppose you weren't yet born, so your education, being after the 1965 OUTRIGHT TAKE DOWN of the Education System, can be meaningless. More From Jan Irvin Gnostic Media For if you [the rulers] suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves [and outlaws] and then punish them. -Sir Thomas More (1478-1535), Utopia, Book 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiW_l848t8&list=PL463AA90FD04EC7A2&feature=player_embedded When he fought to put fluoride into the water, which provably dumbs people down, how was he trying to help them again? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation The facts of fluoride, known long ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_3MRUqUJlYk

Jan Irvin becomes Unable to Suppress His Psychopathic Hatred of a Dead Man, so Attacks ME as a Surrogate for my Uncle! I am put in JESUS place as the Sacrifical Scape Goat! Way to go, Gnostic Guy!

Your uncle created the beasts he then created control systems to manipulate and sell to. He created the very marketing used to sell the masses the shit, and the TV you complain about. He was there with John Dewey, helping to create this compulsory education system that dumbed the masses down, rather than empowering them with the 7 liberating arts of the trivium and quadrivium – the very arts he used to control and manipulate them, along with Freud’s Kabbalistic, and long ago disproved non-sense… Also specifically for dumbing the masses down and controlling them… Oedipus complex and cocaine, that’s what Freud left us, along with a new technique of hypnosis and intelligence gathering – the ultimate ad vericundiam – putting on a white coat and getting people to tell you their secrets. Your uncle has sold these very problems you complain about to the masses. If he was an honest man, he’d have empowered them with the trivium and quadrivium, rather than mind controlling them with it. He’d furthermore not have been involved in selling a cover up regarding the Civil War’s hall carbine affair. Your ad hominem attacks and appeal to ridicule, your other fallacious attacks, only show your intellectual bankruptcy, and not anyone who’s more advanced by any stretch of the imagination. I’m an autodidact and I don’t rely on the BS Wundtian Phds to do my thinking for me. When you’d like to step up to the plate as an intellect and not sling fallacies like the sophist your uncle was, then we’ve decided to let you in. But name calling like a child gets you no where. It’s my site, it’s not a public forum, so of course I’m the gatekeeper. That’s a bit lame to try to attack me for.

Jan does not COMPREHEND the meaning of "OPEN SOURCE."

Gnostic Media is open-source, independent media that pulls you outside of the box and into the heart of cognizance itself.

Reply Lucretia on October 25, 2012 at 4:21 pm Alan Watt of http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com talks about Edward L. Bernays almost every other talk he gives. Bernays created Front Organizations with “Experts” to guide the culture. Democracy itself is a Front Organization. The second poem Alan I have linked below Alan says the techniques of Bernays creates a 99% accuracy in how your life and your culture will go! I have also posted a few links which Alan posted on his site regarding Bernays and all his influence. July 21, 2010 Alan Watt “Cutting Through The Matrix” LIVE on RBN: Poem Copyright Alan Watt July 21, 2010: For Freud, Bernays, Skinner, Kinsey et al.: Evil Creatures of the Most Heinous Kind, Raping, Reshaping the Human Mind: “Many Fronts has This Long War of Terror, Implemented Top-Down, Covering Each Sector Of Society, Creating Mindsets of Humankind, Plundering and Altering the Human Mind, Standardizing for the Collective, Quality Control, Complete in Victory, Except for the Soul Which by Poverty and Fear They Hope to Destroy, The Physical — Emasculated Man and Girl is Boy, Masters of Behaviour Scoffed with Assurity, Demanding Access to Young Before Maturity, Culture Creators on Board with Brother Press, Plus Academia, They’re All Conscienceless, Pity the Knowing Few Who are Self-Led, Who Walk as Strangers in Lands of the Dead” © Alan Watt July 21, 2010 http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/radio/Alan_Watt_CTTM_Live_on_RBN_JulAug2010.html Aug. 31, 2010 Alan Watt “Cutting Through The Matrix” LIVE on RBN: Poem Copyright Alan Watt Aug. 31, 2010 Scientific Indoctrination: Scientific Indoctrination on Each Generation, Leads to Passivity, Close to Vegetation: “Your “Present” is Designed, as Your Masters Know With 99% Accuracy The Flow Your Life Will Go, Scientific Indoctrination with Terms Sounding Cool, Programming with “New Norms” Way Back in School, “Your” Generation’s Fads will Affect Your Outlook, Past is Altered, with Announcement of Each E-Book, Always Doing “Your Thing,” Since You Know Best, Yet “Your Thing” and Opinions are Same as the Rest, Your Life Will be Transitioned Just Like Your Friends, New Societal Dysfunction in the Script That Never Ends, Moral Relativity in Judging, Except Obey Your Master, Observing You Constantly, to Save You From Disaster, The Brightside is Playtime, when Nothing is Forbidden, Then You’re Up on Facebook, Nothing Can be Hidden, Eventually You’re Jaded, Yes You and All Your Kind, Reality Unfurled the Way the Masters had Designed” © Alan Watt Aug. 31, 2010 VIDEO: “The Century Of The Self” by Adam Curtis. Part 2 : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614&hl=en Crowd Psychology Manipulation 1 of 24: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E1ywBCCu8A Governments Employ Scientists in Behaviour Modification to Manipulate the Public (Bernays Techniques): http://cpexposed.com/latest-news/david-camerons-behavioural-insight-team-dangerous-mind-manipulation-la-common-purpose Bernays gets America to Invade Guatemala by Propaganda Campaign–The Century Of The Self Pt. 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614&hl=en Freudian/Bernays Connection of Writer of 10:10s Propaganda Movie “No Pressure”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Curtis as Alan has well pointed out Bernays created Front Organizations with “Experts” to guide the masses. Democracy itself was a front organization. Log in